有B／S話，如果海山哥哥是沒有錯，他已經站了出來解釋

有B／S話，如果海山哥哥是沒有錯，他已經站了出來解釋

#0, by teriyaki, 19 March
2010 02:06 AM

有人話，如果海山哥哥係無錯，佢已經站了出來解釋。佢無出來解釋，這証明了佢自己都知道有錯。
我覺得此話好有問題！






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#1, by 1plus1equal2, 19
March 2010 03:05 AM

This is exactly why the victims of TCOG should speak up instead of letting
people to stab their back/.

However, the person who is saying this has a double standard. I can go
on and say:
A - If Sea Mount did really commit sins, the
pastors could have announced what sin he had committed and judge him publicly.

B - If pastors did not corrupted the offering money, they
would have provided the financial detailed of Prime
Faith....etc.





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#2, by vancouverjoe, 19
March 2010 03:06 AM

有人在聚會中高調地表示欣賞自己處理方偉強及海山哥的忍耐和方法，並要求其他人的認同。
但有人卻保持沈默.......
突然想起一節聖經

親愛的弟兄，不要自己伸冤，寧可讓步，聽憑主怒（或作：讓人發怒）；因為經上記著：主說：伸冤在我；我必報應。
羅12:19


究竟邊個行聖經 ??





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#3, by olive, 19 March 2010
04:47 AM

所以容讓我們自行離開吧, 等主為我們伸冤





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#4, by guest, 19
March 2010 11:34 AM
海山點都錯,他在温哥華有站出來....錯,在香港無站出來....錯,不過聽聞海山唔怕同佢地對質.牛頭角有無人清楚呀?





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#5, by vancouverjoe, 19
March 2010 05:48 PM


你又知他在香港無站出來 ?
要怎樣才叫站出來 ?





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#6, by guest, 19
March 2010 07:27 PM
"他在温哥華有站出來....錯" I don't remember he mentioned anything about
this matter in front of the public. So what do you mean by 站出來? Someone correct
me if I'm wrong. "如果海山哥哥是沒有錯，他已經站了出來解釋" 1) What did he do wrong? I believe the
church has never publically announed what his "sins" were in the first place.
Then why is there a need for him to defend publically? That's the thing I'm not
happy with what Fish did too because he said he's very patient with them (Hoi
San, Peter Fong) already without saying what they did wrong in details. 2)There
is no If he defended in the public, for sure he would have been labeled as 分裂教會!
Then whatever he would say will be ignored.




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#7, by teriyaki, 19 March
2010 11:55 PM

quote: 1) What did he do wrong? I believe the church has never publically
announed what his "sins" were in the first place.
tcog 唔喜歡 publically announed，佢哋喜歡私下同b/s
講，然後攪到b/s唔喜歡受害者






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#8, by guest, 20
March 2010 12:57 AM
The church of Vancouver has already served a statement to Hoi
Shan listing his faults but the church does not allow Hoi Shan to give to other
b/s. And Hoi Shan has also replied them with a letter to explain and defend
himeslf but the church also forbid him to give to other b/s except Fish and
certain personnels.





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#9, by guest, 20
March 2010 01:08 AM
嘩！嘩！嘩！ 咁陰毒！ 直情撒但魔鬼邪靈嘅絕招！絕情！絕義！絕理！




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#10, by hkman77, 20 March 2010
01:52 AM

依！禁都得呀！
再思網B/S講出余光超多年來錯謬真理、聖經誤道，棄妻行為！
余光超都無出來解釋！係咪可以話，余光超已經承認無誤呢？
真係拿自己石頭打自己隻腳的無腦加弱智邏輯智慧。






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#11, by guest, 20
March 2010 07:30 AM
Listing his faults and defending all under the table? Another
deadly disease of this church; they won't tell you the sensitive information! Is
this a private company or a public organization?





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#12, by guest, 20
March 2010 08:34 AM
畀撒但魔鬼邪靈玩哂！實情係隻獸嘅地盤–私家會所！ 小心！小心！小心！





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#13, by guest, 20
March 2010 10:02 AM
有d
时候，当我地站出黎，为自己辩护，人地会觉得，我地系度为自己搵借口。一阵，讲到d乜嘢，又会俾人拿黎炒作一番，到时更多问题出现！





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#14, by teriyaki, 20 March
2010 05:31 PM

我區有個弟兄幾年前因為亂講嘢，所以被志輝判了為問題人為，志輝要求那弟兄寫悔改書，佢一年前已經寫咗呀！不過志輝話無時間跟進。唔好以為寫咗悔改書一定無事。
海山哥哥件事重離譜，悔改書由其他人起俾佢，內容有些佢唔認同時，你話簽唔簽好呢？唔簽就會俾人話佢唔肯悔改囉！tcog
又迫其他人簽名證明海山哥哥有錯的事，有批人不認同，他們唔簽名，咪又俾tcog 判他們有錯囉！






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#15, by guest, 21
March 2010 01:10 AM
“海山哥哥件事重離譜，悔改書由其他人起俾佢，內容有些佢唔認同時，你話簽唔簽好呢？唔簽就會俾人話佢唔肯悔改囉！tcog
又迫其他人簽名證明海山哥哥有錯的事，有批人不認同，他們唔簽名，咪又俾tcog 判他們有錯囉！” 這是分門結黨的行爲，是大罪，有沒有證據？






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#16, by guest, 21
March 2010 01:50 AM
有無錄影？





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#17, by guest, 21
March 2010 01:34 PM
Referring to #16 It is a 100% factual information that the
Vancouver tcog has the sound recorded in mp3 format of all 7 meetings with
Seamount and Fong, for period from Apr 2008 to May 2009. Altogether over 20
hours long. The sound quality is good. According to someone who had listened,
the 2nd meeting listed out in details on the background and events happened
since 2/5 in a well organized chronological order. Some of the HK elders have
listened to the mp3. However, Vancouver tcog has declined requests from 香港執事,
當事人closest relatives to listen to them. And has Forbidden those who had listened
the mp3 to discuss any content with anyone except the several people that
Vancouver tcog has identified. One B/S who had listened to them has been
struggling of whether he/she should stand up and speak to the facts recorded in
the mp3. But he/she is afraid to be classified by Vancouver tcog or even by some
elders as 散播分爭. Though I have been in tocg over 10 years, I have to admit to the
Lord that I am not 100% knowledgeable with the Truth in the Bible on whether
this B/S should do: (1) As a testimonial, speak to the facts in the mp3, or (2)
Should follow instructions from Vancouver tcog and remains silent. Could someone
help to point out Bible verses so that this b/s can be more truth-rich to
determine what the Lord would like this b/s to do? (To tell the truth or to
remain slient.) Please note, I share this information, trusting that through
this process, we all can learn how to ACT in the God's way. Any suggestion would
best be supported with Bible verses, as much as you can. May God bind and cast
Satan, and all evil spirits to disturb on our learning in acting in the way that
the Lord Jesus Christ delights. May the Lord Jesus Christ through the Holy
Spirit strengthen us in knowing what to do: To be a testimonial OR to remain
silent OR other alternatives. In Him/for someone who has struggled but still
trust that everything is in the Lord hands.




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#18, by little_brother,
23 March 2010 10:52 AM

我從陰謀論去看長老們的行動，他們遲遲不處理海山兄的事情其實可立於不敗之地。
1. 一日不恢復海山的事奉，便等於少了一把反對聲音。
2.
若海山按耐不住失了耐性，做出一些公開解釋甚至抗爭的行動，便有藉口正式「整治」他。
3. 若海山按兵不動，其「雪藏期」亦可收殺雞儆猴之效。
4.
若海山最終屈服認錯，長老們便可兵不血刃地贏得最漂亮。





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#19, by hkman77, 23 March 2010
12:50 PM

神經教會管理模式，全靠神經教皇(余光超)全權遙控管理，
邊個究膽決定下一步如何制裁海山弟兄？分分鐘成為千古罪人！
神經教皇每日都祈求佢果位神幫助，更吩咐果位神如何、如何！
只要果位神經教皇依靠既神，又聽神經教皇吩咐既果位主，
下達亮光旨意後，神經教皇就會吩咐Copy
Cat長老去處理啦！
到時咪知道神經教皇點處理海山兄囉

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#20, by little_brother,
23 March 2010 04:22 PM

若這裡有人認識海山的話，請勸他步步小心，不要衝動，現在當權派的長老們正用拖延戰術，等待他出錯，就像當初對待義奮的手法一樣，迫得他心急之下向其他人求助，然後就可以散佈紛爭的罪名整治。
所以，千萬要戒急用忍