温哥華異像泡沫爆破 ! 聚會人數由 400 人跌穿 200 人 ? 專心人數由 25人剩下 8 人 ?!!!
温哥華異像泡沫爆破 ! 聚會人數由 400 人跌穿 200 人 ? 專心人數由 25人剩下 8 人 ?!!!
by tearinheart Wed May 19, 2010 8:20 pm
温哥華異像泡沫爆破 ! 聚會人數由 400 人跌穿 200 人 ? 專心人數由 25人剩下 8 人 ?!!!
#0, by johnny, 04 April 2010 10:27 AM
點解咁 ?!
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#1, by johnny, 04 April 2010 10:37 AM
男的只剩下 4 人 : 余光昭, 羅湘文, 高偉強, 梁子慧
女的也只有 4 人 : 梁桂嫻, 陳信蓮, 李 X X, 鐘 X
X
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#2, by hkman77, 04 April 2010 10:49 AM
唔緊要啦！依個地方最主要係比神棍余養老用！其他人唔重要，就算剩返神棍余一個都無問題，返而靜靜地比佢過埋果幾十年就得架啦！
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#3, by olive, 04 April 2010 02:23 PM
小圈子麻
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#4, by little_brother, 04 April 2010
04:49 PM
我是真心的覺得慘不忍睹，傷心，不是因為溫哥華的人數減少，而是想到離開的弟兄姊妹到底遇到什麼不能繼續忍受的事？終究需要作出此抉擇！
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#5, by little_brother, 04 April 2010
05:07 PM
難道帶領當中沒有一個能清醒、勇敢的站出來撥亂反正嗎？
桂嫻姐、湘文：
即使余弟兄是多麼的愛主，但他的確有很多不是之處，你們身為他的
同工、教會的支柱，應該本著良心去勸導他，甚至看守他，並不是任
他繼續隨意而為！
我並非說余弟兄一無是處，他固有的優點仍然是不容置疑的，但斷不
可因此而莫視他的失誤和負面影響力。
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#6, by littleone, 04 April 2010 05:28 PM
只是想問一問，咁其實400人有25個專心會否太多？在溫哥華專心又有甚麼做呢？
在香港，有很多區可能只有三，四個專心。又要探訪b／s，又信息，又靈修，又安息聚會，感恩聚會，現在還要回答弟兄姊妹的教會問題，佢哋重要係「真」專心，唔會有教會資助住大屋，又無得食organic。
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#7, by kone, 04 April 2010 09:51 PM
相信桂嫻姐是比較客觀同有份量的姐姐,但余弟兄未必聽
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多謝你的支持，請不用傷心。相反，更要為我們遇到這不能繼續忍受的事而感謝主。
可以為我們這班離開了的而高興，因為我們真的很高興。
我們現在很多弟兄姊妹一同在追求和學習，這是過往在神的教會數十年也得不到的。
我們現在"異象明亮"
哈哈，感謝主帶我到溫哥華 !!
此言差矣。
桂嫻姐同在余弟兄的陣線。
他對一班仍然留下的弟兄姊妹，還在訴說神多年來對神的教會的祝福與工作.......
並說有弟兄姊妹離開，是復興的先兆。
但....是的，她仍然留在十多二十年前的日子裡。
她並沒有活在今天。
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#9, by siuwong, 05 April 2010 12:54 AM
思覺失調是一種常見的精神病，患者有患聽患和感到有人害自已，可憐的是有一大班人跟著搖旗吶喊！
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#10, by johnny, 05 April 2010 02:02 AM
温哥華異像泡沫爆破, Fish 老羞成怒, 已班馬到温哥華去定鐘的罪
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#11, by johnny, 05 April 2010 02:07 AM
桂嫻姐是 Fish 的红顏知己, 一路跟他, 跟到温哥華......她已看不見主了, 只看見Fish, 口裡認 Fish 是主, 說的是 Fish,
不是耶穌, 你去同她交通就知
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#12, by hkman77, 06 April 2010 01:56 AM
正如老毛時代一樣，當時環境、政治，管治問題，有一班支持佢論調既人而另起爐灶，招聚人手，逐漸成為反對當時政權既反革命份子！可是，當他們得到權力、利益、自滿後，也逐漸成為前政權腐敗之人！
可是，今天TCOG也逃不了當權者(余光超)變異而變質，而當權者只看到自身所見、所聞，完全封閉於自己世界裡！
其他人告訴他今天新事、新物與他所從前所認識大大不同時，他有面對而接受嗎？還是停留在他年青時60~70代光景嗎？他願意改變而迎合今天千禧年代對聖經新觀嗎？(請看他在大專生聚會中，如何說自己知識...)
不過，看今天TCOG所發生炒長老事件，就知這位老老當權者(余光超)心景、思維、行為，還停留在他昨天輝煌光景中而退不出來！
如果余光超年青時代的他聽到有人公開地說：不與他同心，等於與神不同心。反對佢，等於反對神自己！他會有何反應？有何行動？還是默默接受而跟從呢？
正如中國人常說：自準州官放火，不準白性點燈！
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First, a little apology For those who are big fan of "桂嫻姐".
It's almost 10 years ago maybe she had changed. My experience with "桂嫻姐"
were quite negative. I had noticed a few times she critize brother/sisters and
calling names in public. This is totally unacceptable for such a mature
sister.
I know, many of you had positive comments about her, but please be realistic
not to blinded by her divinified figure by her supporters.
At that time I was VERY SURPRISED that a sister that mature acted like that
but of course, I kept convincing myself that was not a problem, it is OK to
calling brother/sisters name back then! YES, I was BLIND, but now I SEE.
Don't take me wrong, I'm not saying that she is a bad sister, but I'm just
making a point of not to get biased because she had lots of admirer and we need
to observe people in an more objective way.
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#14, by teriyaki, 06 April 2010 03:16 AM
桂嫻姐幾年前已經為「甜美日程」賣廣告啦！佢話由唔接受說服到自己接受嘛！
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#15, by happyson, 06 April 2010 05:09 AM
Quote 男的只剩下 4 人 : 余光昭, 羅湘文, 高偉強, 梁子慧
女的也只有 4 人 : 梁桂嫻, 陳信蓮, 李 X X, 鐘 X X
unquote
Is this 梁子慧 = Joey Leung? If yes, he's in
Toronto, not in
Vancouver.
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#16, by whoareyou, 09 April 2010 09:48 AM
粵語組走了好多人,國語組有沒有人走??
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#17, by 1plus1equal2, 09 April 2010 06:27
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Once upon a time, Yeung Cai Fai told us that there are many PhD's and Master
and even university professors in Vancouver Church. Anyone knows if those
highly educated people still around? Did they toss away their degree because of
Fish's teaching that having degrees are bad? I assume many brother / sisters
quit higher education because of him?
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#18, by truelies, 09 April 2010 07:58 PM
PhD? As far as I know, I don't think there is any PhD (from a somewhat known
school) in Vancouver Church in the past 20 years but I could be wrong.
There was only one medical doctor but I don't think that b/s is with TCOG
anymore. There could be a few Masters but not very many. You know, it is not
hard to imagine why TCOG can't keep these highly educated people.
Fish doesn't tell people *publicly* to give up their high education anymore
because he probably got criticised so many times about this
before.
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#19, by teriyaki, 09 April 2010 09:28 PM
我都有聽過楊志輝話溫哥華有一班知識份子信主，好多年前既事了，佢話他們係從中國來既人，講國語的，當時楊志輝還帶動我們一起感謝主，認為溫哥華好復興。
現在想起，過去 tcog 一直唔鼓勵 b/s 去讀書，覺得世上既知識是小學程度，咁點解當有一班知識份子來 tcog 時，好似 "執到寶"
咁！
#0, by johnny, 04 April 2010 10:27 AM
點解咁 ?!
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#1, by johnny, 04 April 2010 10:37 AM
男的只剩下 4 人 : 余光昭, 羅湘文, 高偉強, 梁子慧
女的也只有 4 人 : 梁桂嫻, 陳信蓮, 李 X X, 鐘 X
X
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#2, by hkman77, 04 April 2010 10:49 AM
唔緊要啦！依個地方最主要係比神棍余養老用！其他人唔重要，就算剩返神棍余一個都無問題，返而靜靜地比佢過埋果幾十年就得架啦！
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#3, by olive, 04 April 2010 02:23 PM
小圈子麻
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#4, by little_brother, 04 April 2010
04:49 PM
我是真心的覺得慘不忍睹，傷心，不是因為溫哥華的人數減少，而是想到離開的弟兄姊妹到底遇到什麼不能繼續忍受的事？終究需要作出此抉擇！
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#5, by little_brother, 04 April 2010
05:07 PM
難道帶領當中沒有一個能清醒、勇敢的站出來撥亂反正嗎？
桂嫻姐、湘文：
即使余弟兄是多麼的愛主，但他的確有很多不是之處，你們身為他的
同工、教會的支柱，應該本著良心去勸導他，甚至看守他，並不是任
他繼續隨意而為！
我並非說余弟兄一無是處，他固有的優點仍然是不容置疑的，但斷不
可因此而莫視他的失誤和負面影響力。
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#6, by littleone, 04 April 2010 05:28 PM
只是想問一問，咁其實400人有25個專心會否太多？在溫哥華專心又有甚麼做呢？
在香港，有很多區可能只有三，四個專心。又要探訪b／s，又信息，又靈修，又安息聚會，感恩聚會，現在還要回答弟兄姊妹的教會問題，佢哋重要係「真」專心，唔會有教會資助住大屋，又無得食organic。
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#7, by kone, 04 April 2010 09:51 PM
相信桂嫻姐是比較客觀同有份量的姐姐,但余弟兄未必聽
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哈哈 little brother
我是真心的覺得慘不忍睹，傷心，不是因為溫哥華的人數減少，而是想到離開的弟兄姊妹到底遇到什麼不能繼續忍受的事？終究需要作出此抉擇！
-little_brother
兄
多謝你的支持，請不用傷心。相反，更要為我們遇到這不能繼續忍受的事而感謝主。
可以為我們這班離開了的而高興，因為我們真的很高興。
我們現在很多弟兄姊妹一同在追求和學習，這是過往在神的教會數十年也得不到的。
我們現在"異象明亮"
哈哈，感謝主帶我到溫哥華 !!
相信桂嫻姐是比較客觀同有份量的姐姐,但余弟兄未必聽
-kone
此言差矣。
桂嫻姐同在余弟兄的陣線。
他對一班仍然留下的弟兄姊妹，還在訴說神多年來對神的教會的祝福與工作.......
並說有弟兄姊妹離開，是復興的先兆。
但....是的，她仍然留在十多二十年前的日子裡。
她並沒有活在今天。
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#9, by siuwong, 05 April 2010 12:54 AM
思覺失調是一種常見的精神病，患者有患聽患和感到有人害自已，可憐的是有一大班人跟著搖旗吶喊！
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#10, by johnny, 05 April 2010 02:02 AM
温哥華異像泡沫爆破, Fish 老羞成怒, 已班馬到温哥華去定鐘的罪
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#11, by johnny, 05 April 2010 02:07 AM
桂嫻姐是 Fish 的红顏知己, 一路跟他, 跟到温哥華......她已看不見主了, 只看見Fish, 口裡認 Fish 是主, 說的是 Fish,
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#12, by hkman77, 06 April 2010 01:56 AM
正如老毛時代一樣，當時環境、政治，管治問題，有一班支持佢論調既人而另起爐灶，招聚人手，逐漸成為反對當時政權既反革命份子！可是，當他們得到權力、利益、自滿後，也逐漸成為前政權腐敗之人！
可是，今天TCOG也逃不了當權者(余光超)變異而變質，而當權者只看到自身所見、所聞，完全封閉於自己世界裡！
其他人告訴他今天新事、新物與他所從前所認識大大不同時，他有面對而接受嗎？還是停留在他年青時60~70代光景嗎？他願意改變而迎合今天千禧年代對聖經新觀嗎？(請看他在大專生聚會中，如何說自己知識...)
不過，看今天TCOG所發生炒長老事件，就知這位老老當權者(余光超)心景、思維、行為，還停留在他昨天輝煌光景中而退不出來！
如果余光超年青時代的他聽到有人公開地說：不與他同心，等於與神不同心。反對佢，等於反對神自己！他會有何反應？有何行動？還是默默接受而跟從呢？
正如中國人常說：自準州官放火，不準白性點燈！
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#13, by 1plus1equal2, 06 April 2010 02:44
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First, a little apology For those who are big fan of "桂嫻姐".
It's almost 10 years ago maybe she had changed. My experience with "桂嫻姐"
were quite negative. I had noticed a few times she critize brother/sisters and
calling names in public. This is totally unacceptable for such a mature
sister.
I know, many of you had positive comments about her, but please be realistic
not to blinded by her divinified figure by her supporters.
At that time I was VERY SURPRISED that a sister that mature acted like that
but of course, I kept convincing myself that was not a problem, it is OK to
calling brother/sisters name back then! YES, I was BLIND, but now I SEE.
Don't take me wrong, I'm not saying that she is a bad sister, but I'm just
making a point of not to get biased because she had lots of admirer and we need
to observe people in an more objective way.
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#14, by teriyaki, 06 April 2010 03:16 AM
桂嫻姐幾年前已經為「甜美日程」賣廣告啦！佢話由唔接受說服到自己接受嘛！
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#15, by happyson, 06 April 2010 05:09 AM
Quote 男的只剩下 4 人 : 余光昭, 羅湘文, 高偉強, 梁子慧
女的也只有 4 人 : 梁桂嫻, 陳信蓮, 李 X X, 鐘 X X
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Is this 梁子慧 = Joey Leung? If yes, he's in
Toronto, not in
Vancouver.
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#16, by whoareyou, 09 April 2010 09:48 AM
粵語組走了好多人,國語組有沒有人走??
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#17, by 1plus1equal2, 09 April 2010 06:27
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Once upon a time, Yeung Cai Fai told us that there are many PhD's and Master
and even university professors in Vancouver Church. Anyone knows if those
highly educated people still around? Did they toss away their degree because of
Fish's teaching that having degrees are bad? I assume many brother / sisters
quit higher education because of him?
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#18, by truelies, 09 April 2010 07:58 PM
PhD? As far as I know, I don't think there is any PhD (from a somewhat known
school) in Vancouver Church in the past 20 years but I could be wrong.
There was only one medical doctor but I don't think that b/s is with TCOG
anymore. There could be a few Masters but not very many. You know, it is not
hard to imagine why TCOG can't keep these highly educated people.
Fish doesn't tell people *publicly* to give up their high education anymore
because he probably got criticised so many times about this
before.
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#19, by teriyaki, 09 April 2010 09:28 PM
我都有聽過楊志輝話溫哥華有一班知識份子信主，好多年前既事了，佢話他們係從中國來既人，講國語的，當時楊志輝還帶動我們一起感謝主，認為溫哥華好復興。
現在想起，過去 tcog 一直唔鼓勵 b/s 去讀書，覺得世上既知識是小學程度，咁點解當有一班知識份子來 tcog 時，好似 "執到寶"
咁！
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#20, by thinkthinkthink, 03 May 2010
05:07 AM
I heard in HK church, there are more than 1,000 b/s left tcog! Anyone can
verify? In singapore, a handful have left too! I believe they are all very
long-time b/s in tcog and of course very disappointed not with church but
"leaders"! People can changed but not our Lord! Don't think too highly of those
'leading' the church, they are following their man-made rules & regulations
not God's!
Who appoint these 'leaders'? Answer: fish. Who appoint fish? Answer: he
himself. Who handle church's $? Who give orders to stop Samuel Chung Hoi Shan,
Peter Fong & Peter Mah from preaching?? Who make big decisions?? Who signed
cheques?? Answer: fish & his 'leaders' again! Is fish a church elder?
Answer: NO! Is he a deacon? Answer: NO! Then why is he doing all the above
important things in church? b/s, please think, think, think again and again!
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#21, by lolunsze, 03 May 2010 05:23 AM
To: thinkthinkthink
Forum A, Forum B, Forum C
........... Forum N have been for TEN years and more! Dirty things and events
(have happened for TEN + TEN + TEN + TEN years) have been proved for more than
TEN years! More things and events are coming to be obvious DIRTY and
GUILTY!
#20, by thinkthinkthink, 03 May 2010
05:07 AM
I heard in HK church, there are more than 1,000 b/s left tcog! Anyone can
verify? In singapore, a handful have left too! I believe they are all very
long-time b/s in tcog and of course very disappointed not with church but
"leaders"! People can changed but not our Lord! Don't think too highly of those
'leading' the church, they are following their man-made rules & regulations
not God's!
Who appoint these 'leaders'? Answer: fish. Who appoint fish? Answer: he
himself. Who handle church's $? Who give orders to stop Samuel Chung Hoi Shan,
Peter Fong & Peter Mah from preaching?? Who make big decisions?? Who signed
cheques?? Answer: fish & his 'leaders' again! Is fish a church elder?
Answer: NO! Is he a deacon? Answer: NO! Then why is he doing all the above
important things in church? b/s, please think, think, think again and again!
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#21, by lolunsze, 03 May 2010 05:23 AM
To: thinkthinkthink
Forum A, Forum B, Forum C
........... Forum N have been for TEN years and more! Dirty things and events
(have happened for TEN + TEN + TEN + TEN years) have been proved for more than
TEN years! More things and events are coming to be obvious DIRTY and
GUILTY!
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