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#115, by letsthinkthink, 30 April 2010 10:10 AM

JOE, 替我問候你太太MY和孩子，願主祝福你一家
已有國語團B/S走了





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#116, by huduanderen, 30 April 2010 05:41 PM

在當中, {這條流}就如同心臟般重要, 而{流的核心人物}則如同其中的靈魂, 也是最敏感的地帶, 是千萬不能碰也不該碰的; 再者, {這條流}裡的亮光都說是從神而來的, 既然是從神而來, 就不會有錯的, 是[神聖]非常的, 所以置疑或要查證{這條流}和{流的核心人物}就是置疑神, 對於碰到這範疇的人, 就要對之特別處裡和關門處理, 這邏輯是可以理解的.
*待續*


-overcomer

各位如想比較深度的了解TCOG爲何如此處事，需要了解“魚思、魚想”，看“魚流”、思“魚果”，並TCOG現在面對的難處“根”原因，可能這裡找到些答案。
正如有人說“桂嫺姐現在還在溫哥華要保護這條(流)，如同烏撒的手去扶 約柜 一樣”，不知是否如此？
願主祝福大家，了解更多“流”的真相，不再“同流合污”。

http://letsthinkagain.lefora.com/2010/04/29/a/#post7

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#117, by zuda, 30 April 2010 10:19 PM


heleluya2012,

I am telling you, I don't really care there was a white guy or not. Even there was no such a white guy, it doesn't change the problems that TCOG have today, and the fact is b/s are leaving.

- The Prime Faith company
- The money spending (why the church can lend money to other private company?)
- Fish the luxury living house
- Fish hug sisters
- Fish said against him is again the Lord (see the video for yourself!!)
- Fish abandon his wife
- ...
- ...
- ...


you said " letsthinkthink 這裡的人我覺得有點失卻理性,係又嘈, 唔係又嘈!". So I guess you think you are smarter than us, and If you would like to defend the TCOG elders in here, try to explain these problems more RATIONALLY!!!!


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#118, by heleluya2012, 01 May 2010 04:02 AM


huduanderen 多謝你提供的資料;
如果要我去comment呢40年的內涵, 我想我地所建立的是一個穩定的親近主的生活, 在聚會當中自由敬拜和付代價持守一d重要的真理(沒有原罪, 每星期擘餅等重要真理), 這些都是別處昔日較弱的!
就算今日推的甜都是為左以上所提的事, 正如義奮所言是有沒有專重大家的惑受, 而不是真理上的偏差.....
當然, tcog的大個處事方法是否恰當在此我不願置評, 我也不是盲目付和, 但問題的產生往往不是單方面造成的!
40年沒有人去查證, 大家都有責任, 發現問題後就責難, 這不是解決問題的好方法!
zuda: 我不比大家任何人smart, 但我肯定比你冷靜, 以你咁樣的態度, 就算tcog今日比個明確的答覆比你, 你都係聽唔入耳........

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#119, by letsthinkthink, 01 May 2010 04:25 AM

huduanderen 多謝你提供的資料;
如果要我去comment呢40年的內涵, 我想我地所建立的是一個穩定的親近主的生活, 在聚會當中自由敬拜和付代價持守一d重要的真理(沒有原罪, 每星期擘餅等重要真理), 這些都是別處昔日較弱的!
就算今日推的甜都是為左以上所提的事, 正如義奮所言是有沒有專重大家的惑受, 而不是真理上的偏差.....
當然, tcog的大個處事方法是否恰當在此我不願置評, 我也不是盲目付和, 但問題的產生往往不是單方面造成的!
40年沒有人去查證, 大家都有責任, 發現問題後就責難, 這不是解決問題的好方法!
zuda: 我不比大家任何人smart, 但我肯定比你冷靜, 以你咁樣的態度, 就算tcog今日比個明確的答覆比你, 你都係聽唔入耳........


-heleluya2012

無論馬、鍾、方事件或平時，我不認為教會有正面和認真回應 B/S 的疑問或查詢

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#120, by huduanderen, 01 May 2010 02:25 PM

huduanderen 多謝你提供的資料;
如果要我去comment呢40年的內涵, 我想我地所建立的是一個穩定的親近主的生活, 在聚會當中自由敬拜和付代價持守一d重要的真理(沒有原罪, 每星期擘餅等重要真理), 這些都是別處昔日較弱的!
就算今日推的甜都是為左以上所提的事, 正如義奮所言是有沒有專重大家的惑受, 而不是真理上的偏差.....
當然, tcog的大個處事方法是否恰當在此我不願置評, 我也不是盲目付和, 但問題的產生往往不是單方面造成的!
40年沒有人去查證, 大家都有責任, 發現問題後就責難, 這不是解決問題的好方法!
zuda: 我不比大家任何人smart, 但我肯定比你冷靜, 以你咁樣的態度, 就算tcog今日比個明確的答覆比你, 你都係聽唔入耳........


-heleluya2012

heleluya2012:
我很欣賞你的態度很真緻，但就真理問題我仍然要痛苦的告訴你，我們所行的真理是很表面的認識，就算你這裡你認為持守住的真理也是應該多角度和多層面的去認識會比較好，正因我們認識得太膚淺，所以以前只是用單純的心在持守，到現在我們真正的顯露了我們的根基是如此薄弱， 在世界各地所開展的只是凴血氣，凴熱心在建造，所以這些年各處都是問題多多，人數下降，帶領被人投訴沒有料到，到處求救兵，這些都是帶領的真理根基薄弱，沒有可餵養小羊的靈食，也就是沒有什麽人在主面前有領受的話語，單有人是有領受的，例如聽説海山哥在溫哥華有查民數記全卷書，我問海山哥要來聼聼，因為察民數記不是簡單的事， 可能這是Fish不喜歡海山的原因之一，希望沒有被溫哥華教會銷毀這個查經錄音，你既有心追求事奉主，提議你先聼多些梁志強哥哥的信息，充滿生命力，聼下你上面所寫的你認爲對的真理是否有新的認識， 要知道真理本身是主自己，如此就是無限的，不要被現在的認識限制了你的成長，因真理是何等豐富的。
到你有更多的認識時再來從新理解Fish和教會長老的教導有何問題，是否合理，但我可以先告訴你，他們首先的問題在於他們“心”是否真誠對主，因人所做出來的，都是神要顯明他們的“心態”如何。
你試下離場，放下自己認為對的心態，好好的多方面研究清楚你所認為對的真理。
願主為你開路，賜你智慧，開你眼睛。
huduanderen 敬上

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#121, by ironic_man_2, 01 May 2010 02:27 PM

huduanderen 多謝你提供的資料;... 在聚會當中自由敬拜和付代價持守一dC(沒有原罪, 每星期擘餅等重要真理), 這些都是別處昔日較弱的....

-heleluya2012

IF they did all of these , but without LOVE.....so what..?pls, turn to Bible...read about it....the most important commandment is "that you love one another, even as I have loved you"...The Fish is the leader of this church that he supposed to be set up a model to teach and love other...but he didn't.............
Without Love...all you call " 重要真理" is in vain... .I know you should don't agree me and reply against me ... , but I don't care....I just know what I see...what I heard...what he criticize other church and B/S in meeting publicly..

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#122, by zuda, 01 May 2010 03:27 PM


heleluya2012,


Of course I am angry. This is a church I have spend years on it, and I have spent my youth on it, but it turn out so many problem and so many lies, and I feel disappointed on what they did.

Hay look, this is your pointing finger:" letsthinkthink 這裡的人我覺得有點失卻理性,係又嘈, 唔係又嘈!"

I don't even see you are more calm down than us. You are accusing and insulting each of us in the letsthink. We come here because we want to know the truth hidden by those "elders". Don't you understand that we don't have rooms to discuss these issue inside the Church in the pass. We come here because we want to discuss and share the information we have in order to know the complete picture about what is going on to this church!

You said :"tcog的大個處事方法是否恰當在此我不願置評" Yeah, that is what those "elder" what you to do, just keep you mouth shut and never question their "teaching" what they have done.

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#124, by kfbrother, 01 May 2010 04:58 PM

其實我覺得最緊要的是,有一個"榮耀"&"有意義"的人生,
坦白講,雖然一個人榮耀唔榮耀,係要自己努力,但係,我覺得教會有負任support b/s 走這條..."天路"

但...我感受教會己support不到我的靈命, 我感受,教會反而要我(我地)去"幫補人數".....而家就好似係"教會而家唔惦,我要去支持番教會",咁"教會"有咩用?







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#125, by jehocs, 02 May 2010 01:15 AM

Has anyone visited Hoi Shan & his family? How are they doing? Really pray that the loving God will watch over them. Did tcog stop him from going to church? Today is the Lord's day but I feel "terrible! Why? because after 26/4 mtg, many b/s already know the tragic news of HS facing the unjust 'leaders' & b/s (those that point & accuse Hoi Shan) all by himself! All of us must be carrying a heavy & painful heart, the body of Christ has been trampled upon by the unjust & unrighteous! How pain it is! Keep us updated on news of Hoi Shan & the annoucements in church today..
FEAR GOD not man!

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#126, by amen, 02 May 2010 07:40 AM

There is no notice annouced regarding Hoi San today!


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#129, by thinkthinkthink, 03 May 2010 04:04 AM

interesting forum! dear bros and sisters, do give a thought (think think think) for the things and events written in this forum! Those who think they are not true, you will have to prove it otherwise!


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#130, by lolunsze, 03 May 2010 05:17 AM



To: jehocs





Normally, only picture files can be attached on most forum. Therefore, your "Letter.docx" can't be read, similar case as mscccp98's "Dear.doc" at #81 & #82 above.





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To: thinkthinkthink





Forum A, Forum B, Forum C ........... Forum N have been for TEN years and more! Dirty things and events (have happened for TEN + TEN + TEN + TEN years) have been proved for more than TEN years! More things and events are coming to be obvious DIRTY and GUILTY!

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#131, by jehocs, 03 May 2010 07:47 AM

oops! didn't realise about the attachment rules... apologies! The attachment is actually in Chinese, trying to write Chinese since majority are Chinese readers. It's actually reminding b/s to be more cautious when talking/complaining to older, matured b/s. Do have another person by your side when you are want to 'complain' things to them. This is to protect ourselves!

FEAR GOD not man!




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#132, by bidding, 04 May 2010 02:27 AM

It's a pity that many b/s in Vancouver left COG. Actually, they serve the Lord for many years. Many of them are mature and well equipped for ministries in God's Kingdom. I don't know what the elders think for this incident but they have to be very tactful in handling this. Actually, nothing we can do for this matter as Hk will respect what Vancouver COG did stipulated by the concept of one global church. Indeed, the lost of these b/s are a severe impact to COG. Of course, COG can put in more new members by preaching. But this phenomenon will happen again and again in the future. That means, fewer and fewer mature workers in the serving field. And ultimately, COG will deteriorate. And that is the main reason why in the past 10 years, there are not any improvements in COG. The only improvement is the so called 'sweet' journey. And the so called sweet journey is merely a slogan of revival.

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#133, by reflections, 04 May 2010 05:25 AM

It is truly a great loss for 'cog' that so many brothers and sisters have left. Think they should reflect and change some of their principles in handling problems. All those bs who have left are part of us, they are all members of the Christ's body. Whoever is handling the matter is still the same, they are all from the same source - Hong Kong COG. Location actually don't play any part in resolving the problem. As long as the root of the problem is not solved, more bs get hurt, more will disappointed, more will leave. The older you are, the harder you can change them. The more power and authority one has, the more humble they should be. (Look at Jesus himself, all authority is given to Him but He's humble and gentle).
Those who remain in cog will only see more problems arising and more bs leaving We just pray God will take charge of the whole thing and reveal His way. And teach all those involved to be humble.
"What is wisdom today, would be folly and perhaps, ruin tomorrow".


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#135, by thinkthinkthink, 04 May 2010 08:34 AM

Teriyaki: those who left is not out of impulse, they must have consider a long long time before making such decision. It's more of disappointment & discouragement by the behaviour and actions of the 'leaders'. They have already dragged...........dragged...... on the matter of bro Samuel (Hoi Shan) for more than 2 years. Then brother Peter Fong's matter is also not solved. Their trick seems to be dragged, dragged & let the years just goes by.....so much precious time is being wasted! How much more time are they going to waste???????? Is that their principle of resolving issues??? Tcog has no clear direction now & things are unorganised, so I forsee little can be accomplished and in the end nothing significant can be achieved.
Those who left do not want to waste any more time on these unresolved issues. I believe they seek God's guidance as they are majority bs who are with cog for long time. But I believe those who remain are trying their best to 'restore' the church back to 'normal'. But if leaders do not evaluate or change their way of leading in a godly manner, we'll just something worse....

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#136, by huduanderen, 04 May 2010 10:14 AM

他們為我的腳設下網羅，壓制我的心；他們在我面前挖了坑，自己反掉在其中。詩57：6
感謝神是公義的，是聖潔的，他的審判，疏而不漏，正如4-26當日有個國語姊妹說：你們不是向我們交待，你們是在神面前交待。
他們用一個大話去蓋另一個大話，最後只是：所以，災難必忽然臨到他身；他必頃刻敗壞，無法可治。箴6：15
我們睜大眼睛看吧，耐心一點的等吧，相信主必出手，也正在出手。



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#137, by vancouverjoe, 04 May 2010 05:38 PM

They have already dragged...........dragged...... on the matter of bro Samuel (Hoi Shan) for more than 2 years. Then brother Peter Fong's matter is also not solved. Their trick seems to be dragged, dragged & let the years just goes by.....so much precious time is being wasted!


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有個弟兄說得好,,,,,,,
God's method is man.....
then
又有個弟兄說得更好
Man's method is drag.....
正所為 "人治拖"







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#138, by ironic_man_2, 05 May 2010 01:28 AM

有個弟兄說得好,,,,,,,
God's method is man.....
then
又有個弟兄說得更好
Man's method is drag.....
正所為 "人治拖"


-vancouverjoe

又又有有個個弟兄說得更更好................好.......
Fish's method is BAN!!!!BAN!!!...

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#140, by hkman77, 04 May 2010 08:48 PM

正名是：余(愚)人香港神經教會！
管治方法：只可用余(愚)人方法在前，神次之！
權力中心：只可以余(愚)人為遵、為首，神次之！
真理：只可用余(愚)人想出來真理，聖經次之！
敬拜：只可用余(愚)人模式，先敬拜父、後敬拜子！
以上種種，各人更以日程修練為每天必修敬拜方法，更以余話為聖！不可用其他代替之！
毀者或不跟隨者，都必判為問題人物，更必須罷去其一齊官職，以後不準進入各處神經教會聚會處！


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